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Market => Product offers => Topic started by: Freeman on August 16, 2011, 01:27 pm
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Here in the Silk Road community, we ignore the petty demands of politicians and law enforcement. We realize there's nothing wrong with trading goods and making a living for ourselves even if some people say what we do is wrong. We know that commerce is about making people happy and outside of the community, it's nobody's business what we do. On problem with this, is that the normal way of doing business doesn't always work. We rely on the community's collective sharing of information, best practices, and feedback to keep things running smoothly. The community lets us know whose products are reliable; whose packaging is secure; and whose shipping methods are safe. If someone sends you shitty products in even shittier packaging, you can't call up the manager and file a complaint for some free coupons like at McDonalds.
That's why I'm offering the following service on my page http://ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/592
*See bottom of page for qualifying products*
Are you tired of seeing the merits of your product ruined by badly written reviews in the forums? Are you a new Silk Road vendor offering great products but without earned reputation to ensure customer confidence? Scammer paranoia got you down?
I can help! I am a well-educated college graduate with experience writing about a variety of topics including medicinal and recreational drugs. Although I am not a chemist or "professional" drug taker, I understand the fundamentals of proper growing, processing, and synthesis which will reflect in my reviews. I am a proponent of responsible drug use and stick to safety precautions and best practices.
Here's how it works and what you get:
1. Purchase my nominal fee of 0.5BTC
2. I will send you my encrypted address in a PM
3. Ship sample amount of your product & when I receive it, I will notify you to release the 0.5BTC
4. For cannabis, I will test the product within 72hrs and write an unbiased review using rating criteria similar to Leafly.com as well as a 500+ word description. For non-cannabis products, I will adhere to standards for trip reports similar to Erowid.org and Bluelight.ru with dosage information, timeline, and detailed description. I will also review your packaging, processing time, etc while maintaining total discretion about package specifics and location. See below for non-cannabis product details
5. I will post the detailed, unbiased review in your seller thread on the forum. If you do not have an existing thread, I will create one for you.
6. Profit
***Non-cannabis Product Notes***
Due to the nature of using psychedelics and MDMA/MDA, it may take up to 30 days (but usually will be less) to test the product and write the review. This allows me to choose the set/setting that fits into my lifestyle and ultimately leads to a better review. Nobody wants me reviews their amazingly well made LSD when I've had a long day and am stressing about making a review deadline.
***Reagent Testing***
All MDXX and other testable substances will be tested with Mecke Reagent and the results will be included with the review. For an additional 5BTC, photos of the reagent test will be taken, uploaded to a .onion host & posted to the forum review of your product
***Qualifying Products/Substances***
This list is limited to the substances that I have significant experience with and feel comfortable taking and writing about
Cannabis, Hashish, LSD, Mescaline, Psilocybin Mushrooms, MDMA/MDA/MDXX(depends).
***Excluded Substances***
I will not test or review these.
Heroin, Pharmaceuticals, Speed, Cocaine, DXM, 2C-X class, methylone, and most other RCs
***Limited Experience***
I'm willing to test and review these substances but have limited experience with them
Ketamine, DMT/Changa, Ayahuasca,
If you have any questions, do not hesitate to ask.
Freeman
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LOL...psst hey guys I do the same thing for free. :P
No seriously there is a great need for professional product and vendor reviews.
Nice way to build a decent reputation too Freeman, good luck!
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nomad bloodbath
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LOL...psst hey guys I do the same thing for free. :P
No seriously there is a great need for professional product and vendor reviews.
Nice way to build a decent reputation too Freeman, good luck!
:D
nomad bloodbath
haha, yeah but you've already got all that weight of celebrity moderator cred behind you! People throw drugs at you left and right! You're like a high-roller in a strip club, panties just drop when you walk by. ;D
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LOL...psst hey guys I do the same thing for free. :P
No seriously there is a great need for professional product and vendor reviews.
Nice way to build a decent reputation too Freeman, good luck!
:D
nomad bloodbath
ditto although i may not be the most eloquent in my writing style ill always try and give a proper report of the stuff i get and i dont charge a thing, although i try not to write erowid style massive reports, a lot of people prefer the condensed report unless theres something special to note, i just see it as what i should do to inform other people on here of whats good, tis what a community is all about no? no harm in what youre offering though.
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LOL...psst hey guys I do the same thing for free. :P
No seriously there is a great need for professional product and vendor reviews.
Nice way to build a decent reputation too Freeman, good luck!
:D
nomad bloodbath
haha, yeah but you've already got all that weight of celebrity moderator cred behind you! People throw drugs at you left and right! You're like a high-roller in a strip club, panties just drop when you walk by. ;D
That's not entirely true I pay for 90% of all my drugs.
:D
nomad bloodbath
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Paid reviews can't be trusted.
GreenCo really appreciates accurate reviews and posts both good and bad customer reviews in the product description.
DigitalAlch wrote a couple that GreenCo thought were very accurate. DigitalAlch knows his stuff and describes them well. DigitalAlch's thought some of GreenCo's stuff was great and he was harder on some other products, but he was always accurate and fair.
I wanted to send him preview samples so GreenCo could include the reviews in the description. I got overruled by other GreenCo members who worried that if GreenCo paid him (or sent him free weed) he might feel pressure to go easier on GreenCo. They decided even if DigitalAlch could be trusted to remain unbiased (he can), new customers might not trust those reviews knowing that GreenCo paid him for them. They still love his reviews, but are against paying him for them.
Review sites that get paid by the companies end up corrupted. The really good reviews do not accept advertising.
I am trying to push "This is a paid review" disclaimer at the top, which I think would still be helpful to customers.
If I get my way, what makes Freeman qualified? What writing experience do you have and can I present a sample review to show what you offer. How is a Freeman review, paid for by the vendor, better than posting customer reviews who do not have any bias (and can even remain anonymous?
On a side note, everyone at GreenCo is unanimous about never using bogus or cheap listings (0.5btc) because they are too easy to abuse. All transactions on Silk Road should represent real Silk Road transactions not just a way to give feedback.
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The idea is not bad, it's always a pleasure for us customers to read detailed reviews of a product. However, I can't see how they could be entirely reliable.
First, you are paid to do such reviews + you are given drugs for free. How could this not bias your opinion ?
Then, since psychedelic experiences can be so subjective and its quality (of the experience) dependent on so many factors (set, setting, previous experiences, mindset, etc..), a review would only give us a clue of YOUR experience.
The only review that I would find reliable would be to chemically test a product, in order to answer the main concerns of purity. You suggest that but for way too much money (5BTC --> WTF ?).
I wish you the best in your initiative, but I seriously doubt you will ever write a bad review. Not even mentioning that only the vendors that know their product is great are going to ask for a review, if they ever need so.
Just my 2 cents.
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i do wish more people would write better reviews, i hate seeing "awesome" that doesn't help much. It could be like rate my professor and rate 1-5 on different categories such as communication, packaging, product, ect. having an over all paid review would be helpful for a couple weeks but everyone is always getting new stuff so quality wont always be the same. a reviewer could talk about packaging and attitude of the vedor.
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KindBud - That honestly means a lot. I strive for impartial honest reviews.
What would be fun is a review off. No free drugs or anything - Freeman and I both order an 8th and leave our reviews - then see what others think - which review is more well written, and which they feel applies to the product most accurately (if they have tried it).
Would be kinda fun ;) Might spur peoples attention towards more eloquent reviews. And I believe GreenCo has said they will throwing up some new strains this week. So how 'bout it Freeman?
No point other than some fun of course : )
Peace,
DigitalAlch
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KindBud - That honestly means a lot. I strive for impartial honest reviews.
What would be fun is a review off. No free drugs or anything - Freeman and I both order an 8th and leave our reviews - then see what others think - which review is more well written, and which they feel applies to the product most accurately (if they have tried it).
Would be kinda fun ;) Might spur peoples attention towards more eloquent reviews. And I believe GreenCo has said they will throwing up some new strains this week. So how 'bout it Freeman?
No point other than some fun of course : )
Peace,
DigitalAlch
Hey, Hey, Hey...I want in on a review off!!! :P
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nomad bloodbath
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can i be a judge of the reviews once they are done :)
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LOL -how was that dream called ?
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All right - Nomad, Freeman, and I.
Freeman what do ya say? We would just have to wait for GreenCo to throw something up.
We will make a poll thread and every can judge/vote. Sounds like some fun : )
Peace,
DigitalAlch
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meh buying good reviews seems bad
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I understand the concerns about impartial reviews in this way and I am certainly open to suggestions as to how they can be considered more accurate. I believe that there are two primary concerns raised and I will respond to both of those in kind.
Paid reviews can't be trusted.
Several people including Kind Bud raised the first issue questioning the reliability of a paid review.
Consider "legitimate" companies such as CNET.com or Consumer Reports. They review products for the purpose of consumer well-being all the time. Manufacturers send them free prototypes, finished products, samples, ALL THE TIME and yet nobody questions the validity of their reviews. Why? Because if Consumer Reports suddenly declared KIA or Daewoo the best car of 2012, nobody would trust their reviews in the future. Same thing here.
First, I see this as hardly a paid review. .5BTC is around $5 and is nothing more than compensating me for the hour or so that it will take me to write a review. $5/hour isn't even minimum wage at that rate and it seems hard to make the case that $5 would make the difference in swaying my opinions. I don't know, maybe some of you out there are more easily bribed than I. Yes, I would also receive small amounts of "free drugs". For one, I'm not asking that anyone send me 7 or even 3.5g to try. Nobody should send me 1g of MDMA as a test batch. Again, I suppose that there are less honest people than myself that would sell their soul for a gram of cannabis or 0.2g of MDMA but there's a very important reason that I would not which follows.
The most important part of our community is REPUTATION. Go look at all of the vendor review threads. Almost every single post is about the vendor's reputation. Sometimes even when it isn't warranted (paranoia), potential users will begin sounding the "scammer" alarm. Similarly, my reputation as an honest, unbiased critic is on the line. What would happen if I did choose to "sell-out" my principles and give bad product good reviews in exchange for the $10-$20 of total value I'm getting from the exchange? Everyone that trusted my review and ordered from the bad vendor would lose confidence in my reviews. My reputation would plummet and nobody would listen. This is EXACTLY the moral of the "Little Boy Who Cried Wolf".
The only review that I would find reliable would be to chemically test a product, in order to answer the main concerns of purity. You suggest that but for way too much money (5BTC --> WTF ?).
You're absolutely right about this. 5BTC is far too high. The price isn't really for the testing as reagent is cheap/use. The cost is for taking the time to properly test, photograph, label, and upload to image hosting. I will reduce this to 1BTC.
what makes Freeman qualified? What writing experience do you have and can I present a sample review to show what you offer. How is a Freeman review, paid for by the vendor, better than posting customer reviews who do not have any bias (and can even remain anonymous?
I am educated at a major university specializing in Economics and Philosophy. I can provide writing samples on a variety of academic topics as well as reviews which I have written in the past. Now, education in an of itself does not mean that I can provide a better review than anyone else. A Freeman review is superior to others because in taking on reviewing this way and having even minimal compensation for my time, I have incentive to write a thorough and fair (see above) review. The reason that we have a plethora of reviews that say "Shit's dank" or "Nom Nom Nom", rather than articulately written reviews that cover most of the questions have about a product or vendor is because a buying customer has little incentive to write such a review. They paid their hard earn money, safely received their package, and are stoked to get high. Why should they set aside an hour or two of their life to write a review when they could be off having fun with their new product? Yes, some exceptions like Kind Bud, Digital Alch, and nomad bloodbath exist who WILL do this because they have a particular passion for supporting Silk Road. This is the exception rather than the norm.
LOL...psst hey guys I do the same thing for free. :P
No seriously there is a great need for professional product and vendor reviews.
Nice way to build a decent reputation too Freeman, good luck!
:D
nomad bloodbath
haha, yeah but you've already got all that weight of celebrity moderator cred behind you! People throw drugs at you left and right! You're like a high-roller in a strip club, panties just drop when you walk by. ;D
That's not entirely true I pay for 90% of all my drugs.
:D
nomad bloodbath
That's not entirely true I pay for 90% of all my drugs.
:D
nomad bloodbath
Yeah, 90%! I'm not trying to bum free drugs! Also, why doesn't anyone question the reliability of the reviews you post for the free 10% (like cosmicwizard's MDA)? Oh, because of what I said earlier about reputation. Nomad is a stand-up guy, he writes good reviews. If he posts an exaggerated review and someone relying on that review is disappoited, then he loses credibility.
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Yeah, 90%! I'm not trying to bum free drugs! Also, why doesn't anyone question the reliability of the reviews you post for the free 10% (like cosmicwizard's MDA)? Oh, because of what I said earlier about reputation. Nomad is a stand-up guy, he writes good reviews. If he posts an exaggerated review and someone relying on that review is disappoited, then he loses credibility.
Dude do not even start pulling me into this, you don't even know what you are taking about...you think Cosmic Wizard sent that to me for free...I got my sample the exact same may you got your .5g of MDA today, I was the first to buy the sample listing.
Also I propose ANY vendor on this site to step forward and say they gave me free drugs to review.
The only vendor that ever sent me a free drug was 3jane way back on the version 1.5 of Silkroad on 3jane's second batch of MDMA and I only got that free because 3jane said the next 10 ppl to post in that thred got free grams to review. Any other drugs I have purchased,
I might have got a slight discount on some items but I've never gotten anything free so maybe I I was just throwing numbers up before it's more like like pay personally for 99.9% of my drugs and got .1% of my drugs ever off Silk Road was from a 3jane thread that was an unbiased review, before I was ever even considered to be a moderator or before there were moderators.
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nomad bloodbath
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Freeman in your plethora of response you seemed to forget me ;) I'm not trying to throw a stick in the gears of your new enterprise, simply posing a friendly contest. But I might add -
In this day and age, many have moved away from place like CNET because of the lack of passion. Who would have a more enlightening review of a stereo - a professional reviewer - whose diction and terms come from years of writing and while they may be able to say this feature trumps that (or our case what was obviously cured better, was immature, etc) but they lack something the new type of reviewer has
A passionate reviewer some blogger audiophile - these people may not be the most eloquent but they can explain why THIS feature is better, or why when implemented in this fashion is superior (In our example, how far along the trichome development is - how the presence of more than natural UV-B light interacted with Terpene and Phenol inside the secretory cavity to produce more cannabinoids - an is observable by the elevated THCV
Not saying you lack this - what I am saying is I write my reviews based of a deep passion for the subject matter. So lets have a contest my friend.
Peace,
DigitalAlch
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Dude do not even start pulling me into this, you don't even know what you are taking about...you think Cosmic Wizard sent that to me for free...I got my sample the exact same may you got your .5g of MDA today, I was the first to buy the sample listing.
Sorry! No offense intended. It was meant to be a bit tongue-in-cheek and I even went so far as to explicitly say that you're a stand-up guy and everyone gives you respect for the work you do here on the forums. I certainly didn't mean it to question your reputation. In fact, I was using you as a POSITIVE example.
I hereby, publicly disspell any notions to the contrary!
Any thoughts on the other points I made in that novella of a post I wrote? :D
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Not saying you lack this - what I am saying is I write my reviews based of a deep passion for the subject matter. So lets have a contest my friend.
Peace,
DigitalAlch
I'm always up for some friendly competition. I'd point out and I will freely admit, there are others that are better than me at writing, reviewing, tasting, testing, etc. For all I know, you could be a senior editor at High Times or a Merck chemist with a closet hobby.
I saw an opportunity for a service which I think some will find valuable and put myself out there. I'm not sure how one quantifies passion, but most of us that are active must have some measure of it. I always try to write something useful about the vendors and products here that I purchase. However, volunteerism and personal passion only go so far. In a community like Silk Road where we cannot rely on "typical" consumer protections, there is a need for people willing to take on this role. Yes, some like you, myself and others will fill this role but only in a limited capacity. After all for every lengthy, useful review we post there are 100 users that never post anything or post minimal, useless reviews. Having identified this need, I took the initiative to actually do something about it. Maybe it's a bad idea. Maybe it is flawed. Maybe I'm not the BEST reviewer on Silk Road. But at least I am working on DOING something about it rather than just "wishing" for a solution.
If it's a bad idea, I will fail. If I incorrectly identified the need, I will fail. If someone BETTER than me comes along and offers a competing service, then eventually they will out-compete me in the marketplace. That's the beauty of it all.
Paying for reviews outright is a terrible idea and I believe I thoroughly addressed why this isn't really a case of quid-pro-quo in the reply above.
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I think the service is very valuable - I just enjoy competition with a well spoken friend.
Guess now we just have to wait for something to posted that we should review : D
I look forward to collaborating with you.
Peace,
DigitalAlch
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Dude do not even start pulling me into this, you don't even know what you are taking about...you think Cosmic Wizard sent that to me for free...I got my sample the exact same may you got your .5g of MDA today, I was the first to buy the sample listing.
Sorry! No offense intended. It was meant to be a bit tongue-in-cheek and I even went so far as to explicitly say that you're a stand-up guy and everyone gives you respect for the work you do here on the forums. I certainly didn't mean it to question your reputation. In fact, I was using you as a POSITIVE example.
I hereby, publicly disspell any notions to the contrary!
Any thoughts on the other points I made in that novella of a post I wrote? :D
Sorry if i took it the wrong way but I was asked if I took bribes for my reviews for vendors earlier this week and I pride myself on my reviews being as most honest and unbaised as I possible can dealing specifically with my experience for the review.
I'll quote the post I made on that from the Mr. Crane Ketamine vials thread:
LOL I wasn't offended at all, I just review products how i experience them, I think you are an excellent vendor and do a marvelous job with you packaging. I'm an honest product reviewer and this just goes to show that I will review any vendors product as truthful as I possibly can. I just feel I might have slightly over paid for what I actually got, but that happens when you are dealing with unmarked sealed vials of Ketamine. Would I buy from you again, hell yes in a heartbeat, you are an awesome vendor and have great stealth packaging and communication skills.
When I make my K from Liquid to Crystal, I make actual crystals not powder. Now when I cut up just crystals into fine powder i didn't have any burn what's so ever in fact it was the fact that i couldn't find the line and 5 minutes later i was slipping into a dissociative state that i was surprised it didn't burn even a little. Usually I don't razor it to fine powder like I have been lately and find that there is only burn when you are actually sniffing jagged crystals.
Anyway this just shows I'm honest about my reviews no matter how much I like or dislike a vendor.
Hell even last night I got asked via PM if I took bribes from vendors.....LMFAO...Hell NO! I'm an Honest Moderator and just as honest as when I give Drug/Product Reviews, doesn't mind the vendor.
I'm very interested in other experiences with these vials as well as you are, as i can only speak for my particular vial.
No hard feelings from my side of this situation.
:D nomad bloodbath
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Also, why doesn't anyone question the reliability of the reviews you post for the free 10% (like cosmicwizard's MDA)? Oh, because of what I said earlier about reputation. Nomad is a stand-up guy, he writes good reviews. If he posts an exaggerated review and someone relying on that review is disappoited, then he loses credibility.
Unless that disappointed guy has little or no cred at all. That is, if he has nowhere near as much reputation as, say, Nomad has.
Also, forum rep does not tell me how much of a tripper you have been. It just tells me how long you've been on the road.
I'm all for more detailed reviews though. It should be a common effort.
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Guess now we just have to wait for something to posted that we should review : D
I look forward to collaborating with you.
Peace,
DigitalAlch
Ditto! I'm keeping an eye on GreenCo's page to see what they're putting up next. Feel free to PM me on the main SR site for collaboration purposes. :-)
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Sorry if i took it the wrong way but I was asked if I took bribes for my reviews for vendors earlier this week and I pride myself on my reviews being as most honest and unbaised as I possible can dealing specifically with my experience for the review.
Ah, yeah after reading that I can see why you might have a lowered tolerance (pun) for such things. No worries.
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Guess now we just have to wait for something to posted that we should review : D
I look forward to collaborating with you.
Peace,
DigitalAlch
Ditto! I'm keeping an eye on GreenCo's page to see what they're putting up next. Feel free to PM me on the main SR site for collaboration purposes. :-)
I guess I'm out on this one because I don't smoke cannabis, but I'm down for another chemical/substance. :P
hehe
nomad bloodbath
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Awesome
GreenCo was supposed to have stuff up today and I have no idea what is taking them so long.
They should have some up today or tomorrow.
GreenCo read this thread and offered to put up a prize, free 1/8oz to the winner.
The contest should be accurate not just make GreenCo look good so probably the other reviewers have to vote on each reviews. That takes GreenCo 's influence out of it. They are also willing to let other people who buy that strain a chance to vote about which review best matches their experience (notify of the option via PM). It would also be nice if the submissions were anonymous before judging.
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Awesome
GreenCo was supposed to have stuff up today and I have no idea what is taking them so long.
They should have some up today or tomorrow.
Woohoo - I must admit I am rather excited!
GreenCo read this thread and offered to put up a prize, free 1/8oz to the winner.
And now even more excited :)
The contest should be accurate not just make GreenCo look good so probably the other reviewers have to vote on each reviews. That takes GreenCo 's influence out of it. They are also willing to let other people who buy that strain a chance to vote about which review best matches their experience (notify of the option via PM). It would also be nice if the submissions were anonymous before judging.
I suggest we both submit our post to you - you create a thread with a poll allowing people to vote on submission 1 or 2 both that have no signature. Give it 3 - 5 days of voting. After finished reveal who each was written buy.